What do a burger menu and crack detection technologies have in common? With Rogelio Guajardo

Rhett
Warning, if you are listening to this episode, anytime near lunch, you’re gonna get hungry, ’cause we talk about fantastic burger joints, whether that’s rodeo goat, is that the name of it? Where it has nothing to do with the rodeo or goats.
 
Chris
– Hippo burger.
 
Rhett
– Hippo burger or Lankford Grocery, all great stops. Somehow between all of that, we managed to fantastically tie it in with our guest Rogelio from NDT on crack detection, where it’s going, where it is now, and I think you’ll find this to be a super helpful, super helpful episode. A super helpful, see I’m already got food on the mind.
 
Chris
And he said “Rogelio” properly, give this guy applause. BOOM! Super helpful episode, thanks for joining us on today’s episode of Pipeline Things.
 
Rhett
All right, welcome to today’s edition of Pipeline Things. We’re here on the PPIM 23 arc. We have really been enjoying talking to our technology providers. It’s been a lot of fun capturing the energy of the show. I’m your host today, Rhett Dotson, my co -host, Christopher De Leon. And we have a special guest again, Mr. Rogelio Rajardo. Did I do a decent job with that?
 
Rogelio
You did a good job.
 
Chris
Rogelio was OK. I don’t know.
 
Rhett
OK, well, you need to the intro next time. Can we agree on that? No. So, you know what’s — Chris, people don’t know. Besides the fact that you give me crap all the time.
 
Chris
 I don’t.
 
Rhett
It’s like non -stop. It’s like a nagging work wife.
 
Chris
That’s not true. If you remember trolls where they would poop, it’s actually like muffins. That’s me. It’s like even when it’s crap, it’s like muffins.
 
Rhett
It does not come out of glitter.
Chris
It’s fantastic.
 
Rhett
No, it doesn’t.
 
Chris
It is, dude. It is. It’s great.
 
Rhett
But one people think about it, you’re kind of a foodie, like a food snob.
 
Chris
 I’m not a snob, I just like good food.
 
Rhett
But you choose restaurants really well.
 
Chris
Some people would say so.
 
Rhett
To our clients, if you ever get the chance to come out with us, Chris generally chooses a pretty good restaurant, so we left PPIM in the other day.
 
Chris
And it’s not just, it’s not just any restaurant either.
 
Rhett
No, he’s a burger guy. So Chris is a burger guy. So he took us around the corner, we left PPIM, we go to this burger joint.
 
Chris
Rodeo goat.  It’s exactly what it’s meant, like they let goats go and you rope them. It’s fantastic. Not in the restaurant though.
 
Rhett
Actually none of that happened when we had lunch.
 
Chirs
No, it’s what it’s called, rodeo goat.
 
Rhett
Yes, but it was a great burger joint. The only challenge is like when you get to a great burger joint, you get this menu and you’re like, “Oh my gosh, do I have this random Star Spangled…” What was that? The Beth Burger or something like that? The Jim Burger?
 
Chris
No, so their two main burgers were the Beth Dutton And the Rip Wheeler It was fantastic.
 
Rhett
I don’t watch Yellowstone. Do you watch Yellowstone?
 
Rogelio
No.
 
Rhett
Apparently that’s a Yellowstone.
 
Chris
It’s fantastic.
 
Rogelio
It hasn’t reached Europe.
 
Chris
I stayed away from the Beth Burger by the way. I don’t need any more crazy in my life. Now that you win on that, so my favorite part of it was something called…
 
Rhett
 I feel like it’s the first time we’ve had a guest engage us in the Segway.
 
Chris
And it’s fantastic. It’s called the steaming pile Going back to giving you crap. Oh, that was the steaming pile. How was the steaming pile?
 
Rhett
 I don’t know if that’s gonna wreck where I was going with the segue. Yeah steaming pile the combination of well
 
Chris
How was it not? What was it?
 
Rhett
Oh, it was good. It was fantastic. It was really good So where I was going with that is a lot of times when you end up at a fantastic burger joint You end up with this menu and you’re like, which burger do I choose? I want somebody to help me choose the burger because I don’t know if today’s the day when I want that fire burger because I have multiple presentations at the end and I need to be—- – Yes. Or do I just want to go solid with like the standard American cheese? Like, you can’t do that burger well.
 
Chris
– Boring is what you’re saying.
 
Rhett
 – Yeah, but if you can’t do that burger well, can you do the other stuff well? Let’s be realistic, okay?
 
Rogelio
– Depends on the day, right?
(laughing)
 
Rhett
– You better be able to do the basic burger well. Or this is not gonna end good for you. –
 
Chris
 If you are a restaurant and you don’t make a good burger just close I mean it’s that’s that’s the rule wow it’s like that
 
Rhett
have you had a burger while you’re in town
 
Rogelio
yeah of course
 
Rhett
okay good yeah
 
Rogelio
hippo burgers
 
Rhett
oh yeah somebody took you to a good place I know
 
Rogelio
my colleagues over here took me over there and that’s the first time but it’s a good one yeah that is a good one
 
Rhett
so if you’re wondering we did not bring Rogelio and NDT on to talk about burgers we bought them on Because let’s be real, we chose six vendors to do this podcast week with us and when it comes to NDT, the reason’s clear. When we talk ultrasonics and the realm of pipeline inspection, the name that’s out there is NDT. People want to know what’s going on, it’s NDT. People want to know what’s happening in the industry or ultrasonics, it’s NDT. And so that’s what we bought you on. And but I think one of the things we’ve kind of observed, a lot of common questions that we get is there’s not just one crack detection technology. So you have to see where I was going with the burger menu thing, right? There’s different burgers on the menu. But the one we’ve been hearing a lot about lately, and I would have thought it’s new, but apparently it’s not new, is the Eclipse technology. And that’s what we wanted to chat, that’s what we wanted to start the conversation with you today.
 
Chirs
 Yeah, but we were also strategic and we’d ask you to introduce yourself because when we look at an ILI system,
 
Rhett
– I did, I failed.
 
Chris
It’s pretty clear, right? It’s the tool. Can it navigate back -to -back bends, etc. The sensor package, right? All the architecture around that. The evaluation component, the routines, the algorithm, the software. –
 
Rhett
I feel like this producer might have told me I didn’t introduce the guest speaker.
—
Second string.
 
Chris
And Rogelio, one of the reasons why, you know, there’s a bit of a gravity here for you to come on the show is, I mean, you’re in evaluation. So talk to us about you
 
Rhett
Where’d you come from then we’ll get to Eclipse? I did out of order.
 
Rogelio
Okay, so pretty much I started in this industry I had no idea this existed pipeline, pigging, no idea. Yeah, so out of university. I got a Post that I could go for an interview. I went, I stayed, liked it, and I’ve been here now for close to 15 years So I started in Mexico was there five years now relocated as a crack analyst That’s my SME then I relocated to Germany to take over the crack analysis globally, and just recently now. I’m taking care of all analysis for entity globally in terms all the different portfolio that we have for — deformation I &S Cracked all of it at the moment
 

Chris
That’s awesome and actually I feel like we’re very relatable now because I don’t think any of us ever intended to be in pipelines or pigging and you know how there’s the saying like I’m having so much fun I’m like a pig in a steaming pile.
 
Rhett
So now that we allowed you to properly introduce yourself failure to the host you can mark that one down and Chris will let me have it and Miss producer will let me have it But again, going back, we do hear a lot about that eclipse technology, so I want to start there with you because I think it’s unclear for a lot of our end users sometimes where it’s placed fits. So if you can’t help, tell us a little bit about it. What is eclipse? How did you guys come about with it? What’s special?
 
Rogelio
Okay, so for that, let’s talk first of the natural evolution of the correct technology over the years, right? So we’re talking about ultrasonics, share wave, 45 degree, bouncing in the steel. If you have a crack, it will bounce back, reflect. That’s our standard crack technology. That’s what has been out there for 25 years.
 
Rhett
Does it still run?
 
Rogelio
It still runs. It’s common practice in the industry that technology because of how it’s being measured so it’s an amplitude depth sizing so what’s going to happen there is you’re going to max out the sensor how much energy that sensor can can can get so that’s going to be around the four millimeters so 160 mil.
 
Rhett
So this is where the background of the saturation limits and things like that come from in regulations that have been introduced out is around –
 
Rogelio
 it’s a physical limitation of the sensor itself. So, natural progression of that was, okay, what we can do to remove that 4mm 160mm threshold. For that, then we have the high resolution tools. So, we increased the number of sensors, we doubled it. By doing that, there are additional reflections that are called indirect crack echo that’s being recorded. So then there’s a second methodology, apart from the pulse echo piece, that you can use to size. And by using that additional one, then you remove that threshold. So now you can go through wall, if you want. So the next limitation…
 
Rhett
So standard resolution to high resolution, which gives us the ability to break the saturation barrier to… Now I’m tracking with you. I’m just repeating it to make sure
 
Rogelio
Yeah that’s that’s perfect. Now the next variable to address is the geometry of the features Not all features are completely radial like a lack of fusion. You have the hooks in there, right? So the way you pulse echo works is pretty much like if you were playing pool You’re shooting with a 45 degree and you’re trying to get a perfect corner echo getting 90 degree reflection from the feature, But when you have a hook that’s like that and 45 degree, it’s gonna bounce away It’s not you’re not gonna get it. So what’s gonna happen is that the limitation of the pulse echo technology. It’s gonna detect. So it’s really good for detection 45 degree. You’ll detect all of the hooks The thing is that you’re gonna under call them, That is the problem
 
Chris
because of how the energy reflects it doesn’t all come back
 
Rhet
because it’s a pulse echo
 
Rogelio
Yeah. The geometry of the feature will will actually be be one of those limitations from that technology So then the next question is how do we address it? so it reached a point that if you go Out in the industry with a high resolution and you say well now I can go through wall all of that Features are addressed. B pipelines are still failing why are they still failing that’s the question to ask so we worked with one operator on this one where they still saw in their lines that that there were additional features going out from NDEs and they were reporting hooks and there are studies out there that actually show that if you have a 160 mil feature With a 30 -degree tilt angle, it could be a hook, but with that 30 -degree angle That feature is going to be under called by 120 mil. It’s massive the undercalling That’s because of the of the pulse eco technology. So Then the question is how can we address it and how can we keep pipelines safe so because of this we embarked in this research with this operator where we simulated multiple features and we did free -sprakes, they provided a lot of information for us and we went out to the market and and to the industry to see what other techniques are being used in the ditch for example to do this kind of sizing and that’s where we decided to go with Pitch and Catch. So what we’re doing with the Pitch and Catch is We’re using exactly the same number of sensors as in the high -resolution tool. So it’s a high -resolution tool. The only thing is that we rearrange them and now they’re facing each other. So we’re doing what is, its Pitch and Catch. So we are recording the pulse echo piece but in addition the receiving sensor it’s across. So imagine that you have a light, a lantern and you’re pointing toward towards the wall
 
Chris
That is definitely not American, Lantern.
 
Rhett
Oh you could have called it a torch.
—
I didn’t realize you were talking about a flashlight, I was literally thinking I thought it was going to run out of oil.
—
Rogelio
You’re just pointing to a wall. You get all the energy towards towards the wall, right? But what happens when you put your hand on, then you get the shade. So that’s what the cracks are doing with the pitching catch technology. So it doesn’t matter, in this case, if the crack is radial, if the crack’s tilted, you’re still gonna lose that energy from one side to the other.
 
Rhett
Couple of interesting things that you pointed to there. You kind of took my next series of questions ’cause I was gonna ask if it was an organic development, but you guys partnered with an operator. The operator approached you with the problem then you went out into the industry of fine solutions then integrated them onto the tool.
 
Rogelio
Yep to see how we could implement that into an ILI tool.
 
Chirs
Which is significant right because again if we were to say this is ultrasonics and let’s go be a bit presumptuous and say it’s for a liquid pipeline. Yep. It’s possible that that wall thickness range is around 281 quarter inch so 0 .25 or 0 .281 and if you were having a potential under -call of 120, you’re talking 40%, I mean that’s significant.
 
Rogelio
That’s huge, right? So that’s why when some of the operators perform the hydro test that in theory they have addressed all the cracks, they’re still bursting because of all of those features.
 
Chris
And it goes back to what you said, right? We’re detecting them. When we look at a specification, it’s important for An integrity engineer to recognize there’s at least three components. I won’t we often don’t talk about the fourth which I’ll bring up Yeah, POD, detection, PY identifying, POS Probability of sizing let’s be clear and then the one that we often don’t talk about is confidence, right? But we’ll leave them and out for this call or actually unless you want to bring it up
 
Rhett
No, no wait, so let’s keep going because I don’t think he’s done with the So now I understand so you got standard resolution your high resolution, which gave you the ability to break the Saturation nearer pitch and catch added on gave you the ability to size off -axis things Which is the eclipse technology, but that’s not where you guys stop. There’s a fourth one on them There’s a new burger on the menu now.
 
Rogelio
That’s big brother
 
Rhett
You know what that’s a perfect break We’re gonna break right there here from Ben and B .J., our sponsors at PPI M23 before we come back and hear about Big Brother in DT. That sounded bad. The Big Brother technology. Thanks.
 
 
PJ Lowe:
PJ Lowe here, Clarion Technical Conferences, and if it’s February, it must be PPIM.
We’re here, that’s right, for the 35th time in Houston, Texas, starting in 1989, and here we are in 2023 with another record -breaking turnout for the world’s largest pipeline technology – related event. We’ve got almost 3 ,500 people coming for four or five days, almost 200 companies exhibiting on the trade show floor, another sellout. It’s not too early to begin thinking about 2024. We sell out around June or July, so clarion.org is where you go to sign up. We hope you can join us for the next conference if you’re not here this year. Another big part of the conference is our training and education program, which takes place on the Monday and Tuesday of the week. And this year we have eight really, really great courses, world -class instructors, and almost 300 people showing up for these specialized courses on different aspects of pipeline integrity technology. I’m here with Ben Stroman, my colleague at Clarion. Hey Ben, what’s up?
Ben
Hey, doing good, always happy to be here because it’s, as we say, PPIM season, it’s February. So I would like to remind everybody that we also have a very specialized technical conference that’s associated with PPIM. And this year I’m proud to say that we have the largest conference program that we’ve ever had, it has 94 technical papers that were chosen from a large selection of submissions that were very high quality so we’re very pleased to be putting on these 94 papers during the week. I’d also like to mention that we do have online training if you aren’t able to make it to PPIM each year. We present online training throughout the year. You can check more of that out at clarion.org and we hope to see you in one way or another online or in person and if you’re not here at the 35th version of PPIM I hope you’re here at the 36^th.
PJ
definitely.
 
Rhett
right we’re back with Mr. Rogelio
 
Chris;
you did great this time okay
 
Rhett
that R doesn’t always roll always roll quite right from NDT and so right we left us on the break was the introduction of the Big Brother burger so we covered just going back standard resolution high resolution and eclipse and the difference between them the Big Brother is introduce us
 
Rogelio
yeah the Big Brother is our face array technology all of the others are called monolithic so we have a physical sensor bolted in the tool with proton Proton, that’s the name of that technology, it’s based on face -to -rate. So we could do, if we wanted, whatever the ND technicians are doing in the field. Swiping from 30 degrees all the way to 70 degrees, scanning. We could do it, but then we’re going to run at 3 .1 meter per second, and that’s not feasible, right? So because of that, what we’ve done is, the advantage of the face -to -rate is that it’s allowing us to change the angles, depending on the application, with the same mechanical setup. So what we’re doing with that is that we’re maximizing the output for ERW, FlashWilds, DeSauce with different widths, heights, and by doing that we are recording two full eclipse data sets with two different angles. We’re recording high -frequency data, which is allowing us to size with the tip, similar to what’s being done in the ditch. And we’re recording aswell what we’re calling a high -resolution metal or shot. That shot is allowing us to measure the weld height, the weld width, if there’s misalignment, if there’s peaking. All of the, that’s an additional variable in terms of the integrity, all of that data is being recorded eventually down the road.
 
Chis
So you have a super car, you have an F1, right, the Formula 1 vehicle.
 
Rhett
With a giant storage tank, it’s going to have a massive gas tank.
 
Rogelio
Oh yes.
 
Chirs
And operators know how to drive a Formula 1 car, right?  I think that’s where you come in, Rogelio, I think that’s where you have to step in.
 
Rogelio
But as an industry, talking about cracks and ultrasonics, the easiest way you can see it is just geometry, simplify the in a cross -section Simplify how the feature looks radially. Yeah, depending on how it looks you can select out of all of these possibilities Which technology would be the best so if you have knowledge and –
 
Rhett
you notice like he’s going in the questions Like he’s done. I’m not even having to ask the questions. I was gonna ask how I select which burger off the menu and he’s —
 
Chris
You have to have the right guy. We got the right guy. It sounds like you’re complaining.
 
Rhett
You’re doing a great job.
 
Rogelio
 Thanks.
 
Chris
You need to just lay back and let him do his thing. Keep going.
 
Rogelio
You’re tired. You can sleep.
 
Rhett
I wanted to set the stage for that because I really feel like you were about to go into that. And I loved how you did it because it just wasn’t what I was expecting. I had an answer I thought you were about to give and you didn’t. So I wanted to pause. How do I choose the burger? And that’s what you’re about to dive in.
 
Rogelio
Just get a cross -section of a pipeline if you have that kind of information or not. Or it’s easier way. Just draw two parallel lines. That would be your ID and yourOD. From that point just draw how the hook might look or sorry how the hook, how the crack or the linear indication might look. So once you do that, if it’sfully radial or it’s a radial with a tilt up to 10 degrees, your high resolution technology, not the Pitch and catch, a high resolution, your standard, it’s applicable. If you want the full wall thickness sizing then it’s a high resolution, otherwise you can go to the standard one. If you start seeing in your line that you have hooks or you have branching cracks underneath the surface or that feature is not radial it starts to change direction under the surface then you need to go to the pitch and catch. Pitch and catch with eclipse will provide you the same information of the UCX but with the capability of sizing those features that have a significant change of direction,
 
Chris
 which we’ve talked about, 120 ,000s, right?
 
Rogelio
Yep, that would be the worst case scenario. So that’s the way you pick it. Simplify it, if you get cross sections for metallurgical assessments.
 
Rhett
So where does Proton come in, whenever you need the absolute best of the best?
 
Rogelio
 Proton comes in when you consider the context of where the feature is located. If suddenly you have a flash weld that has a height of 80 mil, 120 mil in the OD and in the ID, well that’s a tricky one. So proton comes in and you start changing the angle so that you can optimize the reflectors.
 
Chris
Not just the crack like features geometry, but the geometry environment, i .e. the wall thickness or the seam so you’re able to calibrate the angle in which it’s trying to detect identifying size.
 
Rogelio
So proton will be set up for that specific application. It might be that for pipeline A you have chosen angles, for pipeline B you might have another one and with the same tool you just change, be our firmware, what you want to retrieve.
 
Chris
Your inspection window.
 
Rogelio
Exactly so that one is introducing one additional variable, In this case, it’s going to be the context, the geometry, where the…
 
ChrisSo, it doesn’t sound like you’re busy that much trying to understand all this. I’m sure the data’s got to be easy, right? It’s like, this is no problem.
 
Rogelio
It’s getting more and more. All of it is based in the pulse echo. Pulse echo is the battle horse for it, indirect crack echo, pitch and catch, all of that. It’s complementary data for the pulse echo. But it does provide improvements in the POI because of this additional signal and of course the depth sizing tolerances.
 
Rhett
So it was actually really helpful how you laid out the framework for selecting the tools.
 
Chris
Well maybe not selecting but rather like a framework for capabilities.
 
Rhett
Understanding when and where to use them. What really surprised me is it’s not like it’s not you really have to understand the threat before you engage the tool. You are best served Let me say this, if you understand the threat you’re after before you engage into the tool for matter.
 
Chris
We also shouldn’t stop there. We also have to think about what is the assessment technique, right? So once you get the data, was it you’re trying to accomplish? Because each of those specifications will give you a different level of assessment. If it’s more deterministic, maybe that’s one technology. If you’re going more probabilistic, maybe there’s advantages using a different one, which is why we say the capabilities, right? It really depends on what you’re trying to achieve.
 
Rogelio
Exactly.
 
Rhett
And that, understanding the threat, what you want to achieve drives you to select the appropriate tool based on your integrity needs. That’s really helpful.
 
Rogelio
For example, this year you might choose high resolution and in your three year cycle, then you’ll choose eclipse.
 
Chris
Based on what you find in the field, right? You want to dug something, you find a big radio, an off radio component to it of greater than 10 degrees, we need to look at something else.
 
Rogelio
Exactly, or just as an inspection cycle program, you can be alternated between technology, because you’re not expecting, because you know your pipeline, right? As an operator, you’re not expecting it to grow that much. Then you can start alternating and selecting and building your integrity management program based on the portfolio or technology that’s out there.
 
Chris
The portfolio data, looking for change at that point.
 
Rogelio
Correct.
 
Chris
Yeah, that’s good. This is  fun
 
Rhett
It is fun. So one of the things I wanted to touch on because you kind of got me thinking, right, is as you went from using just standard pulse echo to integrating pitch and catch. As you integrate a new technology, how much does your analysis have to change? Because I mean, I know it’s all ultrasonics, but suddenly you’re looking at things from a different perspective. I would assume that the pulse echo data is not the same as the pitch and catch data. And I would assume that somebody that’s been doing phased array with different angles that data perhaps maybe looks different so how much do you guys have to what’s what’s the role and analysis of all that how have you seen analysis evolve with the different tools?
 
Rogelio
So our job we’re a service provider right the tool is just a mean for us to get the data that then’s gonna drive actionable things right so our analysis team Whenever we have a new data set to review, we need to train them, we need to develop algorithms, visualizations, sizing curves, rules, guidelines for analysis, we need to do the whole lot.
 
Chris
And we still want people for that, right?
 
Rogelio
Yeah, we’re upscaling our team so that they are able to address all of those for them to be able to provide this recommendation of this pipeline actually needs a specific technology because many times when we provide the report you might be telling the operator well next year we recommend you to go with another technology or you don’t need this one it’s an overkill because your pipeline does not have that type of –
 
Chris
which also kind of you’re hitting on good points you know right because a lot of times these integrity plans and I like to go back a little bit right If you look at the intent of it, it was always establish a framework and integrity, do a baseline and then based on what you learn, you adjust. Right? And so depending on where you are in the life cycle of pipeline A versus pipeline B, you don’t always, and again, our marketing teams maybe are not always fond of this, right? You don’t always have to go with the F1.
 
Rogelio
 Correct.
 
Chris
 Right? First, let’s gather some data and understand what I’m dealing with because part of it.
 
Rhett
Sometimes you can go with NASCAR.
 
Chris
because well we know this well left turn left turn left turn left turn right but the point is I think what we’re getting to is there’s finite resources there are any integrity programs are always trying to budget those the right way and so I think what you guys are doing is you’re giving operators the suite of capabilities that they need to manage the integrity of their system right and in throttle where they need to and use the right car for the right task you know you don’t need you don’t need the F1 to go down to HEB and pick up a gallon of milk ,you know unless Rett’s there and you want to flex on him a little bit.
 
Rhett
No, if you’ve got Chris drives this truck like it’s an F1 no matter where he’s going all the time I genuinely am afraid for my life sometimes when Christopher drives I was like how have you made it and we’re like it’s a weird downtown traffic and he is bobbing and a weaving and I’m like I’m grabbing the handle the oh the oh pile of
 
Chris
the hang on hang on bar
 
Rhett
and he’s like you know Rhett I’ve never been in a wreck I’m like God why would you say that I’m doing this okay in the last couple of minutes we haven’t this been fun I’d like to know a little about where where’s NDT going from here right I assume it’s in the end of the line you guys—
 
Chris
 let’s see it this way let’s see this way what do you want the audience to know what do you want the audience
 
Rhett
one question Do you see, is it possible to adapt UCD for off -axis cracking, greater than 10 degrees? Could you develop tools and partner with operators if you find yourself needing to hunt 30 -degree cracks that are off of the pipe access?
 
Rogelio
Well, we presented a paper on that today. We had cracks, SCCs, following the coating displacement, 30 -degree skew, integrating circumferential and actual data to understand at pushing the technology to the limit of actually both understanding which components of that type of feature might be axial which one is circumferential which one is sloping
 
Chris
so is that technology red line since you’re pushing it to the limit
 
Rogelio
we’re always pushing it to the limit because what’s happening is that there’s many crazy things out there. We are pushing and developing procedures many times for specific applications, extracting from the analysis side and squeezing every ounce of information that we have there that we can provide back. We might not be able to provide a depth of curiosity to it, for example, but at least we might be able to provide a qualitative assessment saying well ranking based on how the data looks and how the technology works, the physics, that one might be deeper and we’ve done that with penetrators.
 
Chris
But I’ll go the other way right even if you even if you don’t get to the point of sizing right you’re still enabling the operator with concepts of like outlier management right so for example I’ve run let’s let’s talk over the span of I’m gonna pick a random time frame of 10 years right we base lined it with UCX we found out that we have hook cracks that we need to address. I ran the Eclipse tool and now it’s like, how do I manage in my outliers, right? ‘Cause typically when there is an incident, it’s like, oh, there was something very unique about this. Right now you’re even allowing that as a case of like, even if we can’t size it, maybe the other tools didn’t see this, now you know about it, you can make a decision.
 
Rogelio
 Data integration is everything here. All data sets that you have from all different technologies in that asset, or at least that the analyst would have access to, all of that is being leveraged to make that decision. It is required, all the information is there, and understanding the implications from the technical point of view, from the data acquisition of this technology can give me this. And I can push its limits up to this point, and the other technology can give me that. And I’m pushing everything, understanding the technology, then you can derive these processes to actually help a little bit for those features that are the outliers.
 
Rhett
To tell you what, it’s a good stopping point. I’ve really enjoyed this. Rogelio, thanks for coming on with us. I understand why you were recommended to us now, the person who recommended us. You shall remain anonymous, but it was a good recommendation. And really thanks for joining us. This is fun. I will say one thing, if you’re in the Burgers and you’re in Houston you need to find Lankford Grocery. So Lankford Grocery was featured in like burgers, dives, and like a show. Total dive when you go into it. They used to only take cash until recently they started taking credit cards.
Fabulous burger and fabulous blackberry cobbler.
 
Chris
It’s not a grocery store for the record.
 
Rhet
It’s not a grocery store. I think it used to be a long time ago.
 
Chris
It’s not a grocery store.
 
Rhett
Like there’s like a like the floors are like uneven because the trees going out of the side of it. Only open for lunch in certain days.
 
Rogelio
I’ll ask my my foody guy at the office, because he’s normally take me to
 
Rhett
Lankford Grocery. I’d say arguably one of the best burgers in Houston.
 
Chris
It is it is good, but it’s up there with with rodeo goat and hippo burger.
 
Rogelio
Good.
 
Rhett
On that note, you’ve heard a lot about burgers today. Want to thank our guests. Thank you for joining Pipeline Things. If you did not make it out to PPIM 23 this year, you definitely should make it out next year so that you can see these types of technologies, these types of papers and join us again in two weeks on Pipeline Things. I’m your host Rhett Dotson, my co -host Chris De Leon and our guest Rogelio from NDT, signing off